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Common Crashes

Discussion in 'Main Forum' started by MaDProFF, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. MaDProFF

    MaDProFF World Superbike +

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  2. BlackHornet

    BlackHornet Look before you turn Staff Member Moderator +

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    :thumbsup: Yer TC knows a few things it was he who i first phoned when having issues with the crappy insurance company i used last year. :thumbsup:
     
  3. hoppielimp

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    speaking of which, where is TC…haven't seen him around in aaageesss...
     
  4. Roadwart

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    The lights may be on but not once does he mention riding with high beams on. The picture was there to illustrate the running lights, as per the caption :)

    TC decided to leave the site (despite me trying to persuade him otherwise) after a couple of members started being quite insulting on one of his posts.
     
  5. Les

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    Could be useful to a novice/beginner but I reckon it states the obvious:rolleyes:, which most on here will know.
     
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  6. BlackHornet

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    that's true of most things written about bikers, between us on here we could write a book with the knowledge we have if it wasn't for the facts

    we prefer to be out riding
    half of us can't spell
    and we would never agree on the best way of doing anything anyway :D
     
  7. BlackHornet

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    well avoided by the bikers and luckily the person filming this saw it unfolding so gave more space.
     
  8. Les

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    That was a surprise, I was expecting the muck spreader to start spraying shite everywhere. lol
     
  9. MaDProFF

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    Funny how people see things in a different light, for me why was he following that tractor for so long with out overtaking, or leaving such a big gap, no gap the car behind would not have overtaken, if he had over taken then again the car would not be so frustrated. More so if the First bike had his High Beam on the car might have seen him sooner :)
     
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  10. phil read

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    The car should not have overtaken on the solid white line. I find A few cars overtake like that and expect the biker to ride in the gutter to give them room.
     
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  11. lost

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    stupid place to overtake but have seen plenty of bikes do the same stunt
     
  12. Roadwart

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    Take into account the camera seems to be mounted in the centre of the windscreen, so the driver would have a different viewpoint & seen stuff the camera couldn`t. First the oncoming cyclists & then traffic. We don`t know what vehicle the camera was in but judging how high its mounted, I would say its not a vehicle with good acceleration as its WAY above the roof line of the car. It could have even been another tractor travelling with the tractor we see so would have no need to overtake.

    The gap left was actually half the size than it should have been if you take the 2 second rule into account. The car driver was TOTALLY at fault, as from what we can tell by the reaction of the guy driving the car with the camera, started his overtake after the SECOND move left arrow. He should have COMPLETED his overtake by the second arrow making the high beam issue a moot point.
     
  13. MaDProFF

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    Legally I know the Car is in the Wrong, but does not mean it is right, driving legally could also cause an accident.

    If people looked at a bigger picture a lot more accidents could be avoided, leaving a gap for me is not the right way which allows frustrated drivers take more of a risk. I know we do not see what the camera vehicle was still should not leave a gap for others to take a risk.
    2 second rule is asking for trouble at those slow speeds. Those bikes may have been braking the speed limit either to make it worse, Crossing unbroken white lines to overtake a very slow moving vehicle is arguable, you have to cross it to over take a stationary one. FACT IS if there is not enough gap the car WOULD not have overtaken,as he must have known he could over take both vehicles.
    I suppose when you have driven over 1.5 million miles since I was 17 you see things differently and how you can avoid a potential accident happening by how you drive .
     
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  14. BlackHornet

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    the camera is in a second tractor and the car was clearly aiming to over take both at once without concern for what might be coming the other way.
    It was the fact it's a tractor with it's height advantage that allows him to see the bikes well before the car driver can and react by braking and thus increasing the gap allowing the car to pull back in. The car driver was plain and simply a twat without any ability to read the road and over take cleanly. I would have turned around and been dragging him out of the car for a stern word using my fists to spell it out in morse code on his face

    Had that not been a bike with bloody good brakes but instead been a lorry then that would be one dead car driver.
     
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  15. BlackHornet

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    It's not arguable at all it's illegal to over take if the vehicle is traveling above a set speed which I think is 10 mph and even then it would be illegal if not done in a safe manner
    see rule 129 of the highway code :D
     
  16. Roadwart

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    Please elaborate on this as I`m struggling to understand where you are coming from here.

    Not crossing a solid white line to overtake a MOVING vehicle is absolute, crossing to overtake a stopped vehicles seems to be depends on the circumstances. I`ll cite the example given to us by the serving officers who took the Bike safe I did last year. A level crossing has its barriers down & you come up behind the stopped traffic. On your side of the road is a solid white line on the approach to the level crossing. Do you filter past the stopped traffic & stop at the barrier? According to them, if they see you do it, you WILL get a ticket even though you can see theres no oncoming traffic due to the barriers.

    No FACT about it. The car may well have tried to overtake BOTH vehicles which WOULD have ended in some sort of crash.
     
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  17. MaDProFF

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    Trouble is you do not know if he would have tried to over take both, I doubt he would have considering where he was after just overtaking one.

    Tom I did slow moving vehicle, to cross a solid white, I try to never cross a white.
     
  18. BlackHornet

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    you know what would have made that video great would have been if the first tractor had slammed his brakes on once the car was up his arse. That looks like a pretty loaded muck spreader, could have filled the car up nicely :lol2:
     
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  19. Roadwart

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    But if the second vehicle had been doing as you say & been closer, the chances are he would have., negating your statement

    As per my previous request, could you elaborate more where driving legally could cause an incident. I would really like to understand where you are coming from on this point.
     
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  20. MaDProFF

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    RW I am sure there are many, but lets say you are driving and traffic lights turn amber, you know it is safe to go through them but it is illegal if you brake hard and stop, the car would hit you, hence you can use an accident, might not be your fault I would rather go through than someone hit me up the ass. You are driving downb the Eridge by pass towards TW, car pulls out from the station road, you hit him or cross solid lines to avoid knowing there is nothing coming the other way????? I know what I would do
     

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